This official lived at the welfare level to investigate what debt approach works

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How can the Netherlands be better governed? Kustaw Bessems talks to guests who don’t just complain, they also have ideas about how our democracy should work. How do we make sure everyone is heard? How do we avoid running from scandal to scandal? And how do we get the best leaders in the most important places?

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Anne-Mathije Bogerd wanted to better understand what people in debt experience and design better policies together with them. She lived on welfare for a month and used the food bank. She then started working at the food bank. She quickly met experienced experts who also began to trust her and were able to help her come up with an approach where people were not unnecessarily sent from pillar to post.

Presentation: Kustaw Bessems

Editing: Rinkie Bartels

Editor: Corinne van Duin

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